tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post115284428108784166..comments2023-11-03T09:36:22.100-04:00Comments on In From the Cold: The Israeli StrategyGeorge Smileyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07049707648660651119noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1153074287894884992006-07-16T14:24:00.000-04:002006-07-16T14:24:00.000-04:00Why four years curious? For another US President? ...Why four years curious? For another US President? For Hizb'allah to be stronger?Final Historianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03143401809513790140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1153006233519876132006-07-15T19:30:00.000-04:002006-07-15T19:30:00.000-04:00Ok, here's a basic map of the Bekaa Valley:http://...Ok, here's a basic map of the Bekaa Valley:<BR/><BR/>http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/lgcolor/lbcolor.htm<BR/><BR/>Basically, it's got the Litani River flowing through the Southern half of the valley. But at most points, the "Valley" betwen the two mountain ranges (the Lebanon Mountains running parallel with the Coast, and the hills/mountains lying on the other side of the river valley.<BR/><BR/>Now, about half way up the river valley is the cutoff directly into Syria and Damascus.<BR/><BR/>Now, I'm not talking about an invasion of Syria by Israel, but by the displaced residents of the Bekaa Valley.<BR/><BR/>... And you all say "Huh"....<BR/><BR/>Disclaimer first: I'm NOT by any means a supporter of Israel, but if I'm living in a nation where the whole entire Country is under seige from a bunch of religious crazies launching missiles, well, EVERYTHING'S on the table at that point in time.<BR/><BR/>Imagine how all of us would feel if we could be rocketed and bombed at will - at that point, all bets would be off and there's damned little we wouldn't do to ensure our safety - screw what the NY Times, WaPo, the UN, and/or the liberal Democrats think.<BR/><BR/>Ok, if I'm in Israeli leadership and these attacks continue, well, it's time to get really serious and stop screwing around.<BR/><BR/>We announced that 1) The Bekaa Valley from the Golan up to Jazzin is a "no go zone", and you've got 24 hours to get out & stay out. The clock's ticking, and if you are till there afterwards, you're a TARGET. End of story.<BR/>2) The entire Bekaa Valley all the way up to Baalbeck is also a "no go Zone" and all the inhabitants better plan on leaving, and they have 7 days to do it in. The clock's ticking, and if you are till there afterwards, you're a TARGET. End of story.<BR/><BR/>After that, ANYTHING in the Bekaa Valley is a target and whatever weaponry has to be used to make it happen, gets used. Personally, I prefer Fuel-Air explosives and/or cluster bombs.<BR/><BR/>Remember the story of Phil Sheridan in the Shenandoah Valley in the US Civil War? That's how the Bekaa Valley gets treated.<BR/><BR/>Where do all the displaced Bekaa Valley residents go (most of whom are Hezbollah supporters)? - probably into Syria.<BR/><BR/>Logic to this: Actually, quite a bit.<BR/>1) If 1 side is trying to hold the other side's population hostage to terror style weapons, well, you've got to 'equalize' the equasion. Cold hearted, you bet - but probably highly effective. Imagine Syria having to deal with a mass influx of refugees.<BR/>2) Israel didn't start this fight - Hezbollah did. They've got to be made to pay a price, and the price has to be sufficient to ensure that any thought of future massed missile attacks upon civilian populations aren't a one-sided affair.Making The Wheels Turnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14786636690998841783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1153005860407533722006-07-15T19:24:00.000-04:002006-07-15T19:24:00.000-04:00Personally, I think the time is as good as ever to...Personally, I think the time is as good as ever to go after Syria. But I don't know what is going on behind the scene diplomatically between the US and Israel.Final Historianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03143401809513790140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1153002899567257102006-07-15T18:34:00.000-04:002006-07-15T18:34:00.000-04:00I believe it takes Israel 6 days to mobilize. This...I believe it takes Israel 6 days to mobilize. This is day four.<BR/><BR/>Plus it is good to know <A HREF="http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/vphase.html" REL="nofollow"> the phase of the moon</A>.<BR/><BR/>George Bush has put Syria on Israel's short list.<BR/><BR/>I don't see how Israel wouldn't do Syria if Syria doesn't bend over and beg for it. The lights are green for as far as the eye can see.<BR/><BR/>Iran has promised to join in if Syria is threatened. Make us an offer we can't refuse.<BR/><BR/>People are chosing up sides. Iran and Syria have only the friends they can afford. They have to hope they stay bought.<BR/><BR/>I don't think this is about limited objevtives. Israel and America intend to clear the table.M. Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09508934110558197375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1153002399340215462006-07-15T18:26:00.000-04:002006-07-15T18:26:00.000-04:00The Final Historian said: "I had to laugh to see w...<I>The Final Historian said: "I had to laugh to see where Lebanon is asking for a "cease-fire"!!"</I><BR/><BR/>You have to look at who said that and why. It was one of those, hold on, we can make it, don't give up, patriotic speeches. Did you notice while he gave that speech that the President of this "Nation" is off hiding in the mountains?<BR/><BR/><I>"The fact that Israel hasn't struck into Lebanon with Ground Troops..."</I><BR/><BR/>They have SO forces running all over the country, and are planning right as we speak to go in with Armor and ground troops.<BR/><BR/>There is a rumor on the Arab boards that Israel "attacked" the Lebanese Army, no action details available. Which says to me, its just a rumor.<BR/><BR/>Syria's special operations troops are already involved as well as their missile tecks, but that's as much as we will see in my HO. Syria may be the bait, but I don't think they want to be and will not do anything to encourage it.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, back at the UN, they will huff and puff and write their little papers and denounce anybody and everybody but the right people.<BR/><BR/>Papa Ray<BR/>West Texas<BR/>USAPapa Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11454201360366303944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1152992339044736762006-07-15T15:38:00.000-04:002006-07-15T15:38:00.000-04:00The fact that Israel hasn't struck into Lebanon wi...The fact that Israel hasn't struck into Lebanon with Ground Troops seems to indicate one of two things: Either they are waiting until their airstrikes have weakened Hizb'allah enough and they have organized their reserves sufficiently, or perhaps Israel is hoping to try and slowly bait Syria into openly intervening, at which point Israel goes full out against Syria. I think that the first is more likely, as I don't believe that Syria is going to let itself get involved, not without Iran getting involved first, and Iran won't get involved until Syria is involved. Hence, both will sit out, and hope to benefit diplomatically.Final Historianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03143401809513790140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1152989586651992252006-07-15T14:53:00.000-04:002006-07-15T14:53:00.000-04:00Doesn't Israel have at least one diesel submarine?...Doesn't Israel have at least one diesel submarine? Couldn't it, with US permission, get into the Persian Gulf and fire missiles at Iran? That would stir things up! I had to laugh to see where Lebanon is asking for a "cease-fire"!! Oh, I see, these Lebanese who can't control Hezbollah's actions, even though there are Hezbollah ministers in their parliament, are now pledging to stop Hezbollah from firing on Israel, if Israel stands down? Does anyone believe them? And if they actually could stop Hezbollah, wouldn't that make them just as responsible for the violence as Hezbollah? Someone's not playing with a full deck. And it ain't Israel.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01747859029040319691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1152928402574624582006-07-14T21:53:00.000-04:002006-07-14T21:53:00.000-04:00Your thoughts are much along with mine (and I woul...Your thoughts are much along with mine (and I would guess thousands of others) but there are just too many "wild cards" to really do more than just munch popcorn and watch tv and keyboard a little.<BR/><BR/>I think that's because we are dealing with thousands of hotheads and nutcases (nutcases in that they don't think like we do).<BR/><BR/>Plus there are just a few more than a thousand hotheads in Israel, it remains to be seen how many of those have decision making authorities.<BR/><BR/>Syria is ignoring reality if they think they would have any chance of defeating Israel. Of course, like it's been said, they may think that Iran will cover their ass and come to their aid (not if, but when they need it).<BR/><BR/>So since noone knows what Iran's intentions or plans are (most likely most of them don't know either), we will just have to wait and see...like you said.<BR/><BR/>Meantime, I sure wish my ammo I ordered two months ago would get off backorder and come in. I need to get more practice in. <BR/><BR/>Papa Ray<BR/>West Texas<BR/>USAPapa Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11454201360366303944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1152900357115792592006-07-14T14:05:00.000-04:002006-07-14T14:05:00.000-04:00You're the expert, but do you think Israel is atte...You're the expert, but do you think Israel is attempting to provoke Iran to strike <I>before</I>it gets its nukes? This may be the last chance. <BR/><BR/>If Iran takes the bait, then Israel can do what everybody wants done, but does not dare to admit it. On the other hand, if Iran just sits there and watches the zionist infidels demolish the armies of the faithful, well, ha, some defender of Islam! <BR/><BR/>Think there's anything to this?eatyourbeanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10142141654341688097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1152887891039876622006-07-14T10:38:00.000-04:002006-07-14T10:38:00.000-04:00The information that would be of most interest, at...The information that would be of most interest, at least to me, right now would be some more data on the Israeli reserve call-ups. I have been expecting an Israeli ground incursion into Lebanon somewhat like Operation Litani in 1978...but that hasn't happened...yet. But I think they need boots on the ground to get Haifa out of rocket range.<BR/><BR/>I thought the Israelis had been bombing the bridges to keep the Hezbollah types from getting away, or at least, their equipment from getting away. <BR/><BR/>If the Israelis have called a significant amount of reserves, that would indicate to me that they planned to act relatively quickly. <BR/><BR/>Still, today, so far, looks like more of yesterday.El Jefe Maximohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661511063910659377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10820485.post-1152887450960857772006-07-14T10:30:00.000-04:002006-07-14T10:30:00.000-04:00PGM = Projectile Guided Munitions?PGM = Projectile Guided Munitions?The Last Ephorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10546829944086243794noreply@blogger.com